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- <title>
- Apr. 16, 1990: Interview:Eduard Shevardnadze
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- <history>
- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1990
- Apr. 16, 1990 Colossal Colliders:Smash!
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- WORLD, Page 28
- The Alternative Is Dictatorship
- </hdr>
- <body>
- <p>By Jason McManus and Eduard Shevardnadze
- </p>
- <p>Shortly before going to Washington, Soviet Foreign Minister
- Eduard Shevardnadze met with a TIME group, led by editor in
- chief Jason McManus. Excerpts:
- </p>
- <p> Q. President Bush seems to be trying hard not to make
- Lithuania a point of contention between our two countries. Is
- that your perception too?
- </p>
- <p> A. I am convinced that your President is not interested in
- seeing a deterioration in U.S.-Soviet relations. I have no
- doubt that he is interested in the success of perestroika. This
- is a realistic policy. Sometimes people say--I always do--that there is no alternative to perestroika. That is not
- completely true. There is an alternative. If perestroika fails,
- then we will see a dictator come to power. And everyone knows
- what a dictatorship means. Without overstating the case, it is
- in the interest of our entire human civilization for
- perestroika, democratization and the renewal of our country to
- succeed. I think the U.S. Administration understands this.
- </p>
- <p> Q. How do you feel about a united Germany belonging to NATO?
- </p>
- <p> A. At a press conference in southern Africa, I was asked a
- similar question. I said we are a hospitable nation, and we
- invite a new united Germany to join the Warsaw Pact. Why not?
- That would be an interesting, unorthodox option. But, it is
- said, that would not suit the West.
- </p>
- <p> Why can't Germany stay an independent state, outside of any
- military or political alliance? What is so bad about having a
- neutral state in the heart of Europe with a status that would
- be acceptable to all in East and West? There are also some
- unexpected options to think about: for example, a new united
- Germany with responsibilities to both NATO and the Warsaw Pact.
- There are possibilities for discussion here.
- </p>
- <p> Q. How would this dual responsibility to NATO and the Warsaw
- Pact work?
- </p>
- <p> A. I cannot say right now, but we have some ideas. There is
- one thing I am convinced of: a united Germany, when it comes
- about, should consider itself a full-fledged member of the
- European community of nations. This united Germany should
- become a major factor in the stability of Europe.
- </p>
- <p> Q. You have just been named to Mikhail Gorbachev's
- Presidential Council. What is this new body, and how does it
- fit in with existing institutions like the Politburo?
- </p>
- <p> A. Presidential power and the entire system of presidential
- rule in our country are in the formative stage. The Politburo
- will deal with purely political and party matters; its
- leadership will try to exercise its influence through the
- activities of its members. I believe this is similar to how the
- Republican and Democratic parties work in your country.
- </p>
- <p> The President, as defined in our constitution, is
- responsible for the general state of domestic and foreign
- policy. The members of his council will be his advisers. In
- addition, each member will have his own sphere of
- responsibility.
- </p>
- <p> From the first days of perestroika, I was in favor of
- introducing presidential rule, but at that time, I found myself
- in the minority. We have come to realize now that the
- presidency is a necessary and useful institution. Its main task
- is to protect democracy.
- </p>
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- </body>
- </article>
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